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Josh Clark
Hi, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, a staff writer here at HowStuffWorks.com. And with me, as always is my trusty editor, Chris Pollette and his fantastic goatee. Chris, today, I want to talk about how the trolley problem works, very cool article that I wrote and you edited. So do you want to give some background on the trolley problem? What is it?
Chris Pollette
Well, it's every San Franciscan's worst nightmare. Imagine if you will, there's an out of control trolley, speeding down the tracks. And if nothing stops it, then it's going to go out of control. It's going to flip and kill the people on board.
Josh Clark
Five people, right?
Chris Pollette
Five or fifteen, it could be fully loaded. Who knows? But the problem is these people are going to die unless you do something to stop it. But it's a speeding trolley. What are you going to do? Until you notice that the track has a switch in it, and that you could actually switch the track with this lever that you happen to be standing next to, well that's great right? You're going to switch it to another track. You're going to save the lives of people on the trolley because it's going to give them a chance to slow down and stop, except there's somebody on that other track. And if you pull that switch and save the lives of all the people on the trolley, then it will kill this other man. So it's an ethical dilemma. What do you do?
Josh Clark
It is an ethical dilemma, and there's a second part. What's the second part?
Chris Pollette
Well the second part is this. There is not switch. There is just one track with an out of control trolley and several people on it who are going to die, unless you do something. Next to you stand a person, probably not a diminutive person. It would have to be somebody big enough to stop a trolley. But if you push them in front of the trolley, onto the tracks, then you could stop the trolley, by slowing it down, but obviously, the trolley would run over this person and kill them.
Josh Clark
Dead as a doornail.
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Chris Pollette
Yeah.
Josh Clark
Dead as Cisco.
Chris Pollette
So what do you do? Do you sacrifice one life for many?
Josh Clark
That is an excellent question and it's one that's been plaguing people since it was first produced in the 60s. This philosophical problem, it shows the distinction between allowing to die, which is pulling that lever and sending the man on the auxiliary track to his death and actually, actively killing somebody, which is pushing the less than diminutive man in front of the trolley. What would you do, Chris? You personally, would you pull the lever?