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Jackie: Hello, this is Talk About English coming to you live from Bush House
in London. I'm Jackie Dalton.

Callum: And I'm Callum Robertson.

Jackie: In the programme today: the importance of choosing your words
carefully

Callum: Your views on how other people perceive your country

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Callum: And a special look at Poland, our country of the month.

Jackie: This is the last programme in our series focusing on news and the
media. Last week we looked at how to write and speak in good, plain
English. This week we're going to look a bit more at language and also
explore the issue of stereotypes in the media. To help us with that,
we're joined by Karen O'Brien, Regional Editor for the BBC's Arabic
Region. Could you tell us a bit more about yourself?

Karen: (responds)

Callum: And we'll be looking at some of these issues in relation to Poland,
which is the country of the month on our website at the moment. If you
go to the 'Communicate' section of our site, you'll be able to find
pictures, facts, questions and answers on Poland. And here to provide
us with some special insight into Poland is Kaz Janowski who is of
Polish origin. Welcome Kaz – tell us about yourself.

Kaz: (responds)

Jackie: And English learner and journalist Stefan Roemermann is back with us
because he enjoyed all the English language questions we fired at him
last week so much.

Stefan: (responds)

Jackie: We're going to start with a closer look at a topic we touched on last
week, but want to explore in more depth this week. And that's
language use and objectivity. Callum, can you remind us what we
mean by 'objectivity'?

Calum: (explains objectivity)

We could also say impartial, neutral, unbiased.

Jackie: Karen, you must be very aware of the importance of using neutral
language, especially given the political sensitivities in the area you
focus on?

Karen: (responds)

Jackie: And the language you use can also subtly influence politics or people's
beliefs.

Karen: (responds – give sectarianism as an example)

Jackie: Last week we heard from Fouad Razek formerly Head of News and
Current Affairs for the BBC's Arabic service talking about the
difficulty in describing suicide attacks, and problems with words like
'martyr' or 'terrorist'. He's about to give us an example of a recent
difficulty with language that came up related to events in Israel and
Lebanon. What is it?

Fouad Razek

Callum: Fouad says they had difficulty finding the right language to talk about
the Israeli soldiers who were kidnapped, seized, captured or detained
by Hezbollah

Jackie: Karen, could you explain some of the issues that the language here
raises.

Karen: (discuss problems with this language)

Jackie: Stefan, this is your first challenge on the programme today and of
course, if you're listening at home live, you're welcome to join in.
Karen is going to give you a sentence which has a few problems with it.
You have to try and make it better.

Karen: 'The armed gunmen kidnapped a soldier in a daring bomb attack on the
army patrol.'

Callum: And feel free to try this if you're listening at home, send us an email
with your suggestion to talkaboutenglish@bbc.co.uk

Jackie: We've had a question in from one of our listeners about impartiality.

Listener question
I am Eduardo from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
You said you teach the journalists who work for BBC how to write in an impartial
way and not to express their own opinion. How long does this process take? I mean,
How long does it take for a journalist to be ready for work, to go to the streets and
begin to work?

Jackie: Karen – does it take a while to learn how to write news reports in an
impartial way?

Karen: (responds)
Jackie: As we mentioned earlier, Poland is the country of the month on our
website at the moment. So in this programme we're going to take a
look at Poland and how Poles are portrayed or shown in the media.
Polish people have certainly featured quite a lot in the media here in
Britain recently.

Callum: Yes, that's because one of the largest groups of new migrants to Britain
are Poles. In 2004 Poland entered the European Union which gave
Polish people much greater rights to live and work in other European
Union countries.

Jackie: Immigration is a hot political issue here right now and is being talked
about a lot in the media. Emma Kwesiga Lydersen is a journalist who
has been following this topic closely. How does she think Poles are
portrayed in the British Media?

Emma
I think Polish people are generally portrayed in a positive way in the British media. I
think they are portrayed as hard working, that they have high education level, that
they’re trustworthy, industrious – so I think they have a positive image here.

Callum: She believes that they have a positive image, they are seen to be
trustworthy and industrious, which means they are seen to be honest
and hardworking.

Jackie: We asked a couple of people on the streets of London what image they
have of the Poles?

Vox

Jackie: The first man, who was originally from Czechoslovakia, says many
Poles work on building sites – we'll talk more about jobs later because
I know not all our Polish listeners agree with those stereotypes. And he
said they like drink – Kaz, would you agree that drinking is a popular
pastime in Poland?

Kaz: (responds)

Jackie: The second man said he thought Poles work a lot harder than the
English, which confirms the view we heard earlier on from Emma, the
journalist.

Callum: But this isn't always a positive, as this British man, Mark White
comments. What does he say is the 'flip side' of being seen as hard
working, the 'flip-side' which means the opposite side.

Englishman
I think a lot of people recognise in the media that many of the Polish people that have
come to Britain in recent years are very hard working, very reliable, people of
considerable integrity who do a very good job especially in the construction industry,
catering and cleaning industries and I think the flip side of that is that some elements
of the press are of the opinion that they are possibly taking jobs from English people.
But I think the truth of the matter is that if native English people were doing those
jobs well enough there would be no jobs for the Poles in the first place.

Jackie: Mark thinks that the flip side is that the hard-working Poles could be
seen to be taking jobs from British people. But Mark makes the point
that the Poles are only doing jobs that British people won't do. Kaz, do
you think that's true?

Kaz: (responds)

Jackie: Stefan, we set you a task earlier on. We asked you to come up with a
better version of this phrase 'The armed gunmen kidnapped a soldier in
a daring bomb attack on the army patrol. '
What have you come up with?

Stefan: (responds)

All: (discuss)

Jackie: Karen, how would you have phrased this news story?

Karen: (responds)

Callum: Can we have another phrase for our listeners and Stefan to try?

Karen: 'The terrorists say they won't liberate him until their legitimate
demands are agreed to '.

Jackie: Well if you're listening live and also have a suggestion on the kind of
language that could be used, or a question about it, do send us an email
to talkaboutenglish@bbc.co.uk and we'll ask the expert what she thinks.

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